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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: May 2, 2010 10:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 11-23-1970

This is actually 11-16-1970, Fillmore East. Traffic played in Buffalo on 11-23-1970.

From Deadlists:

SET 2 is the tape which has long circulated apparently mislabeled "Anderson Theater, NYC 11/23/70." A variety of lines of argument suggest that this tape in fact comes from Fillmore East 11/16/70 and was mastered by the same crew that did 5/15/70, 9/20/70 and other surreptitious soundboard masters from this venue. It is not clear where the good Lovin fits nor how much more might have been played than appears on these tapes.

In the pause before Mama Tried Bobby sings The Frozen Logger off mic. The alternating harmonica and organ on Truckin' > Other One is Pigpen. Winwood sits in on organ on Hard To Handle, Big RR and Not Fade > Goin' Down > Not Fade. The harmonica on Big Railroad Blues may not be Pigpen. It's probably Chris Wood who takes the first vocals on Not Fade Away and is audible intermittantly throughout the following sequence. Uncle John's Band has a brief prelude jam with Will Scarlet on harmonica. Uncle John's sounds like an encore; Bobby says "See y'all later" afterward.

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Poster: hippie64 Date: May 2, 2010 10:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 11-23-1970

Now I'm seriously confused, the 70-11-23sbd.lai is really 11-16 ? Is there anything from the 23rd on the torrent I have dl'ing from bt? If so what from the setkist is in fact the 23rd?

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: May 2, 2010 11:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 11-23-1970

No, you're fine DL'ing the 11-23 torrent, if you just want the Traffic Jams. It shares the same SHN id as what's here on the LMA for the 23rd (4734), but it is really the 2nd set of 17361.

If you want the full show, you'll have to dl the torrent for 17361.

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=523627



This post was modified by DeadRed1971 on 2010-05-02 18:13:53

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Poster: hippie64 Date: May 2, 2010 12:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 11-23-1970

gonna do that then (dl 17361) because # 1, 4734 has barely any down speed 3-5 kbs ?? , for 5 seeders thats not much. Or that could be because of all the deselected files in the huge part 8 torrent.
And #2 If 17361 is the full show then that's for sure what I want.

Last question, Was 11-16 on the same reel as 11-23? And that's how they were combined? Or could it be everyone was dosed for a solid week and just lost track of time? haha.
No? I think I understand now, but still can't unlock my brain and explain it to myself, I know I'm being thick, Thanx for explaining that, helped alot :-)

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: May 2, 2010 12:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 11-23-1970

I don't think there ever was a SBD reel for 11-23. Remember, Bear was stuck in CA, thanks to John E. Law, and Betty Cantor-Jackson wasn't doing SBD recordings then. The famous 11-8-70 Capitol Theatre show, and having only the Ken & Judy Lee aud as the best recording highlights this. If the in-house crew hadn't done them (SBDs), then there would be none here today. It has already been established by other recordings on the Archive that Fillmore East recorded their shows from the board. I don't know much about the Anderson Theatre, other than it was some old Yiddish playhouse used for a short time for rock concerts. I'd have to assume like most venues of the day, the only recordings were from bootlegs.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 2, 2010 5:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 11-23-1970

It is possible that a 10 minute soundboard clip of a performance of Good Lovin' from 11/23/70 may have once circulated at some point.

Both Deadbase and The Deadhead's Taping Compendium list a performance on 11/16/70 with a performance of Good Lovin' with Jorma sitting in. The compendium actually has a review of a poor quality (partial) 10 minute SBD clip of this music by Michael Getz:

"Jorma steps back in with more abrasive, dentist chair leads...It's as if he's expressing himself while an angry hornets nest is trapped inside his underpants."

I think it's pretty much certain that the music circulating with Winwood sitting in (wih possibly Chris Wood and Will Scarlett or Jack Elliot as well) is in fact from the Fillmore East performance on 11/16/70.

However there is enough evidence that the Dead did in fact perform a Hell's Angels benefit at the Anderson Theatre on 11/23/70. Jorma and other members of Hot Tuna sat in with the Dead during several performances around this same time period (11/11/70 and 11/20/70 for sure). Since there has been so much confusion over these dates (11/16 and 11/23)it's plausable that the soundboard clip of Good Lovin' described both in the compendium and Deadbase could be from 11/23/70...